The Trinity Saves

When you read about the trinity you will hear statements like you do not have to believe in the trinity to be a christian but true christians will end up believing in the trinity. The doctrine is seen as one of the defining elements of the christian faith, and it is said that believing in the trinity does not make you a christian but the fact that being a christian makes that you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit that enables you to then believe in the trinity. Therefore a true christian will not deny the trinity, and this all according to Matt Slick.

So according to a group of people that cannot be found in the Bible, and yes not Jesus nor any of His followers could be found in Scripture using the derogative accolade of CHRISTIAN to refer to themselves or to what they did, no they did not. Secondly if the doctrine of the trinity is so important that you can only understand it when indwelt by the Holy Ghost, so God just neglected to explain it anywhere in scripture, loud and clear, and no He did not.

So thirdly to say that only those indwelt with the Holy Ghost will understand it means that only christians believing in the trinity doctrine are saved, plain and simple. Semantics and gymnastics with a bit of circus thrown in won't help, and nowhere is it in the Bible that if you are indwelt you will understand that God is three persons in one and not one as He God proclaims Himself all through the Scriptures.

The most telling sign that there is something untoward at hand here is when you see the New Translations of the Bible that omit or add as a footnote one of the most compelling verses against the trinity doctrine, and that is that there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, not three persons but three attributes of the same being the God most high.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1Jo 5:7 (KJV)

Yes once Jesus was born through Mary the reference became different because the Word took on flesh, the flesh born through Mary and dwelt amongst us. This Word declared the Father to us and this Word that took on flesh paid for our sins when the flesh that the word took on had to die. When the Word took on flesh He was called the Son, the only begotten Son of God, the flesh Jesus taken on by the Word.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14

Before Mary gave birth there is no reference to the Son of God, there is reference to the Word, the Messiah, the Lord and that is how we know God. So to say that there are three persons in one that are not one the other but they are and they are not and are coequal and are not coequal but are one but not all are the Father and the Father is not the Son and the Son are not the Holy Ghost and they are all not God but are the Godhead, blah, blah, blah

This is the same as you do not need to believe in the trinity to be saved, but a true christian cannot help but believe in the trinity, but those that do not believe can be saved but only true christians that are indwelt by the Holy Ghost can understand and believe in the trinity, blah, blah, blah.

God spoke everything into being and to know this read Genesis one, so who did God use to create, His Word. Who did God use to declare God to mankind, His Word? Who did God use to take on flesh and pay the price for our sins, His Word? And when the Word took on the flesh that was born through the Virgin Mary what did call the flesh, the Lord Jesus Christ, the word made flesh.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:3

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psa 33:6

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:18

So dear fellow believer you can see that the Word is God, the Word gives life, the Word has been there from the beginning when God spoke all into being, the Word made it all and without God speaking nothing would have been made, God needs to speak. In the Word is life and that life is truth and that truth is a light unto man, and once the Word became flesh and pain the price for our sins and is now found in the bosom of God, this Word declared God to all, not a person, the Word of God, and in this lies the mysteries of God.

With this truth you can ask any christian that are not from the Bible but the church of man with its strange doctrines to please explain the following verse to you, and remember it will gladden their heart because it is a trinitarian go to verse and that is:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Mat 24:36

As you can see with the information above that when the Father spoke His Word created, so until the Father speaks the Word that became flesh cannot declare the Father as we see in John 1:18, only when the Father speaks the Word declares and not before, the Word is God and only Goes forth from God when Spoken by God and that is why:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:1

Now for a moment be still and then answer this question, are you a christian or are you a saint?